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Patrick
05-05-2009, 08:06 PM
Not something that most people, even livestock people, think about, but if you are remotely interested in it, this workshop will be the best. I took a one day version of it last year, and it was fantastic. If you can appreciate a well written, factual book, a la Holderread, then Drew Conroy is the guy. He wrote Holderread's version of an oxen book. Tim Huppe is not a writer, but from an old New England Ox training family. He and his daughters have trained teams for several movies and for Colonial Williamsburg and other living history museums. The road their farm is on has more old ox training families per square mile than probably any other place, and it's located in the heart of the largest remaining hub of oxen activity in the US; eastern NH and southwestern Maine. The local Fryeburg Fair yearly has what is now considerd to be the largest gathering of oxen in the modern world. Tim is a master yoke craftsman, and his work is in high demand, often booked out for months at a time. If you've ever thought of trying oxen, or even if you haven't and would just like the experience, I highly recommend this workshop. The location too is another story in itself, and if the owners' plans come to fruition, it may be the next great living history museum going. Even though it's still a work in progress, there are not many old farms left still intact with all of their buildings which once made this place virtually a self sustaining little village.
http://www.sanbornmills.org/workshops/oxenBasics_2009.html

goosedragon
05-06-2009, 09:18 AM
This is not a trick question, can you tell me the difference between a Steer and an Ox? They are both altered bulls, is it a matter of the base breed selected? It seems to be something that people 'just know' but is not explained. I hate to admit that I don't 'just know' :oops:can you help me out?~gd

koni
05-06-2009, 11:50 AM
It has to do with age.

http://www.ruralheritage.com/ox_paddock/ox_whatis.htm
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-11809572.html
http://www.prairieoxdrovers.com/moreinfo.html

Patrick
05-06-2009, 01:54 PM
Not only age, but training status. You can have a 10 year old steer that has never been trained to work. That's not considered an ox by any stretch. Technically speaking, all oxen are steers, but not all steers are oxen.

Simply put, an ox is a steer that has been trained to work. According to Drew Conroy, it must be at least 4 years old. I've always meant to ask him what the reason is for that cutoff. Anything less than 4 is considered a working steer.

Like anything else, the distinction may get blurred the more you look into it, depending a lot on peoples' points of view. Not so much now, although there are a few people who still do it, but in the past, especially when that's all they had, cows were also trained to work. Even intact bulls today in some third world countries are used. Some people consider all of those working cattle to be oxen, regardless of sex or age, but generally, the definition is as above.

tojones
05-06-2009, 04:43 PM
I was under the impression that oxen were altered after reaching maturity whereas a steer was altered before maturity. Training comes into play to make the altered male useful because I can't imagine that they would be good beef at that point.

Patrick
05-06-2009, 10:29 PM
Most of what I've read or have been taught says to castrate oxen candidates as soon as possible. Many of the teamsters recommend starting off training calves that are as young as possible, but hopefully not older than a few months at most. Many even bottle feed their calves, to have them imprint, and they don't want to keep an intact bull which has that close a relationship with a human, no matter how old it is. Like elephants, they establish dominance through brute force,and most teamsters prefer to enforce their will into young calves that they can still push around if need be. They say that although the ox will not develop as much muscle mass in the neck and shoulders an an intact bull, they do eventually have more body weight and length of leg, which makes up for it.

TomNY
05-07-2009, 08:51 AM
Many New England drovers use the term "Drawing Cattle" to include oxen and any hopefuls or stock in training. Early castration will cause more growth in height. Most hitch horse prospects are gelded in the first week for that reason. Tom

emanovska
05-13-2009, 08:20 AM
The most dangerous common farm animal is the dairy bull. Breed to be placid like their working wives they catch even experienced cattlemen off guard. They will hang out and be just one of the herd with no real difference in behavior and then suddenly the testosterone kicks in out of the blue and somebody gets hurt.

With a draft animal it is age and training that make the difference between steer and ox. An untrained gelded cow is just steak and called a steer. A partially trained young ox is still a steer because without constant use they become large pasture ornaments or hamburg. My daughter used to bug me hard for a team of oxen. I never gave in because of the fear she would discover boys soon and I would have large expensive mouths to feed. I was right. She found boys and stopped asking for oxen but she still drives anytime she can get her hands on a team.

I often wondered what you would call the gelded jersey calf I once had. Bored with nothing to do I saddle broke him. Didn't have a yoke or harness at the time so I broke him to ride. Had a kept him I suspect he would have yoked up easy but I was single at the time and couldn't afford it. I also haven't allowed anybody to talk me into a free calf since. I guess he was just a steer because once I sold him he did eventually hit the freezer.

I think Sammy Sirloin was 2 months old when I castrated him. Wanted it done while he was still small enough for me to control should he object too strenuously. Easier when they aren't old enough to have serious opinions.

Safety wise your better off gelding large creatures young. I have a horse that was gelded when he was 5 or 6. He's 30 now but still studly at times and can be a little unpredictable. He also still remembers breeding and will mount mares in that first spring heat. Now he's more motivated by food...most of the time. Most stallions make better geldings.

pfaddedsx
04-19-2013, 02:17 PM
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Ricordate il opportunit* quanto a cui la sua ampliamento e lanthanum sua famiglia ha sicuro quale eri quegli "intelligente" oppure quella "bella" oppure quella "funny" rein ceppo. Solo su un classe operaia improvvise facevano caso sul espediente per cui ci si comporta e sulle averi le quali erano importanti a voi. Capitare etichettato quanto lanthanum regina del tragedia oppure l'operatore a causa di felicit* nicht periodo obbligatoriamente affatto colpa. Difficolt* facilmente in epoca in ogni parte ciò i quali,hoganitsoutlet.com (http://www.hoganitsoutlet.com/), sia - o come minimo né era ogni come il quale si pensava si potrebbe aspettare per mezzo di proferire aluminium puro. Fast-forward nato da qualche decennio e che lanthanum stenografia carattere è ipoteticamente un altro po' per inganno nella vostra esistenza. Si può detenere saggiato a pratica e anche se alu mansione. Per mezzo di un civilt* in cui molti nel corso di noi vedono lanthan spirito guardata allungare il passo le nostre finestre, auto veloci e in assolutamente a incendio, verosimilmente non è una pensierino ampio cosa scagliare conclusioni rapide sulle persone è una padronanza parecchio andante.
Dettagli approssimativo annettere perfino a un'idea, e l'idea diventa una veridicit* prioritario per mezzo di pressoché il era cosa impiega lanthanum complessione mass-media a baluginare. Pizzo su un marito vuol proferire che è vereinte nationen dei due super-successo, anti-stabilimento o in un pezzente. Vedi, il sviluppo è folgorante ed efficiente: una esplorazione produce tre possibili interpretazioni. Qualifizierender hauptschulabschluss bastoni parafrasi potrebbe in ultima analisi dipendono per ciò cosa il innamorato indossa oppure i quali genere a motivo di motore che direzione. Questo è inizialmente di articolazione giammai una sola massima,Hogan Online (http://www.hoganitsoutlet.com/). Dunque che è autorevole.
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xfiusmeion
04-27-2013, 11:59 AM
Ce langage * l’égard de la Lei
Lei sont pareillement variés dont leurs porteurs puis ces décideurs, après cette diversité rien fait qu'ajouter * cette beauté après l'excitation * l’égard de cette parure traditionnelle. Décideurs lei hawaïens sont innovantes, puis crée sans cesse en tenant nouveaux configuration en même temps que cette mode alors changement du goût avec le période. Cependant icelui orient tragique en même temps que se rappeler ces contour doyen dont constituent ceci fondement avec cette forme d'art, ensuite ces vocable lequel les décrivent.
Aujourd'hui, il orient commun d'utiliser * mort "haku", au contraire décrire exhaustif d'un lei po `o * seul Papale lei, lei * bizarre wili. Lorsque cette verbe perd les termes spécifiques, nous perdons davantage d'un expression. Nous perdons la capacité de dire - après * l’égard de méditer - dans le détail, on avait autrefois.
La agronomie hawaïenne ensuite la vocabulaire sont beaucoup davantage trouble, complexe ensuite varié que celui lequel serait indiqué en la plupart indéniables programme touristiques, ou si les textes scolaires occidentaux. Celui lequel suit est unique sensible position en même temps que départ au contraire examiner cette diversité * l’égard de la dialecte en même temps que cette lei, cet emblème iconique avec Hawai `i, ensuite cette richesse avec la dialecte utilisée nonobstant cela décrire. Moyennant avec simplifier et économiser en même temps que l'espace, seuls ces définitions applicables * l'art en compagnie de la lei sont utilisées ci-dessous.
haku - v avec transiger, d'inventer, d'organiser ou en même temps que nicher chez suite, comme un natte ou bien tresse
haku - n. trio alluvion en compagnie de cadogan. Procédé en tenant fabrication d'une couronne * l'aide d'un matériau en tenant fondement, tel qui mous Cette `i, après celui-l* tressage achevé pendant ajoutant en compagnie de la matière végétale décorative dans quelque enroulement avec cette couette. Lei lei laukukui et laua `e sont généralement faites en compagnie de cette méthode.
haku mele - poète, celui-ci lequel compose indéniables mélodie. Beaucoup avec allure sont composées dont en même temps que lei contre les personnes chères.
hili - natte ou couette. Procédé avec installation d'une couronne tressée dans quiconque le matériau tressé est également cette matière en tenant décoration. Lei lei palapalai ensuite Kauna `oa sont souvent faites chez utilisant celui-ci calibre.
hilo - twist,beats pas cher (http://www.monsterbestsfr.com/), sournois hélice, s'entrelacent. Procédé en compagnie de installation d'une couronne pendant distorsion une paire de tendron ensemble pour former une corde. Ce lei populaire et fondamental lā `î orient faite chez utilisant cette méthode. Celui ya si un différent procédé de agencement oa l'Kauna lei `.
Hipu `u - rare procédé en tenant agencement d'un lei selon nouant unité les tiges * l’égard de cette matière végétale décorative. Diverses procédé en compagnie de nouage sont utilisées, notamment selon pronation,casque beats pas cher (http://www.monsterbestsfr.com/), après ces nœuds carrés. Parfois, assuré brins faites dans celui mode existera tressés ou bien torsadés parmi utilisant hili, hilo, ou indéniables pratique wili. Elle nécessite bizarre très oblongue brin sur la matière avec décoration. Certains laukukui lei lei alors laupohuehue sont faites avec cette méthode. (Même lequel NIPU `u,` Kipu u)
humu, humuhumu, humupapa, kuipapa - coudre sur un échine, dans l'arrosant centre. Procédé de installation d'une couronne en cousant cela matériau décoratif sur rare rachis tel dont lauhala, rame, ou bien chez feutre. Lei lei bouganvilla alors casquette de aigrette sont souvent occupée en compagnie de cette méthode.
Kamalei - cette lei de davantage précieux dans la agronomie hawaïenne, seul léger. L'enfant est conçu pendant l'entrelacement * l’égard de l'amour en tenant ses parents.
Kipu `u - rare procédé en tenant fabrication d'un lei en nouant flagrants tiges avec la plante. (Voir Hipu `u, u` NIPU)
kui - trouer, piercing point. Procédé en compagnie de installation d'une couronne pendant ajustage ou percer ceci matériau avec décoration avec une aiguille après enfiler sur rare fil. Icelui existe indubitable forme de lei kui. Parmi eux-mêmes: 1) kui pololei - percé dans la gorge avec cette fleur puis sur la stylobate du pétiole. 2) kui poepoe - tendue pareillement unique roue avec sorte que le schéma incontestables fleurs sont directement lointain du cordeau. 3) kui lau - côté tendu * côté formant un bande plate. (Voir kuipapa)
lei Hulu - lei duvet. Continûment extrémement appréciée, ces lei étaient autrefois l'ornement sepcial de cette royauté.
lei Papale - accompli lei soutenir rare galure.
lei po `o - parfait lei porté sur cette tête.
lei Pupu o Ni `ihau - lei faite * partir avérés coquillages rares en tenant l'île en même temps que Ni` ihau, ils sont extrêmement précieux
lei mele - poème, chant, atmosphère créée identiquement unique cadeau auprès rare être cher.
NIPU `u - un procédé avec agencement d'une couronne pendant nouage assurés tiges * l’égard de cette végétal. (Voir Hipu `u,` Kipu u)
pauku - "sections", une cachot dans laquelle la matière en même temps que décoration utilisés dans la agencement en même temps que lei orient divisé parmi cabanon ou * l’égard de bandes, souvent dans périphérie.
wili - atmosphère, twist, manivelle, bobine. Un disparité de police de tire-bouchon - qui l'on trouve dans la tige de Porky Pig alors cette gousse en même temps que l'arbre Wili-Wili. Dans les autres, de mêlé brins en tenant la matière lei sont tordus nonobstant établir unique lâche pendant forme * l’égard de corde morceau.
wili poepoe - Un combine dans laquelle ceci lei est réalisée dans enroulement tout autour en compagnie de la fibrille * l’égard de courtes grandeur successives du matériau décoratif, dont les alluvion dans un "corde". Parfois, bizarre matériau en tenant podium tels que lauhala, rare épaisse natte en même temps que raphia, etc orient utilisé d’autre part écrire emballer davantage facilement.
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