Hatching Eggs Video

[ritterhahn]

That makes sense, then. It seemed redundant to call a machine artifcial in this context, since a natural one would be the bird itself. So the heating pad is an artificial artificial machine. Very Platonic.

[crystlong]

I think when she said:



She meant as an "artificial incubator" one that was homemade (the heating pad). At least that's my translation, may not be spot on.

At least someone understands what I meant. You were absolutely right

[crystlong]

Wait a minute! Aren't you the one who accused me of having very little experience with poultry? I'd say that they don't get any greener than you.

I did accuse you of having minimal experience in raising poultry. However I also said that in comparison to my grandfather who has been living a lot longer than you and been a farmer just as long. So if you want to quote me, please do NOT misinterpret what I say, deliberately, just so you can insult me. I do not take insults very well and I don't want this to turn ugly.

[crystlong]

So is getting them wet, but I was told to ignore that & that she knows what she's doing. Grandpa is the expert.

That's exactly right Evy. Grandpa IS the expert and I trust him not to lead me in the wrong direction. He has hatched chickens and ducks on a heating pad whenever his incubator stopped working and they have all turned out fine and perfectly healthy. Just because this is a method that you don't use yourselves doesn't mean that I can't use it. This forum is supposed to be used to bounce ideas about raising livestock back and forth between all of it's members. However, with all of the rude comments, sarcasm, and criticism it is a wonder that this site has ANY members at all. I feel bad for all of the new people joining this site that have to put up with all of the "hate" comment contradicting what they are saying. You all seem to have the delusion that the only way to raise livestock is YOUR way. Well I am here to tell all of you something. This is a FREE country, and that means that individuality is supported and condoned. So if I want to hatch duck eggs on a Freaking heat pad then that is what I am going to do. If you don't like it, don't comment about it.

[MattL]

Ok, enough, can't believe we even had this discussion. Move on please!

[MattL]

OK, I give up. Thread is unlocked, let the drama continue!
MattL

[crystlong]

OK, I give up. Thread is unlocked, let the drama continue!
MattL

I really have no wish to continue the drama. I am merely defending myself from other peoples rude comments and even ruder criticism. I just wanted to come onto this site for information because it came highly recommended by several people that I know from when I used to be in 4-H. I have had a few people on this site being supportive and giving me advice, however, others have been rude, conceited, arrogant, close-minded, pig-headed, and just plain mean. I don't think it's fair that when someone, who is new to the site and has questions, is answered with sarcasm and rudeness. I don't care if people on this site wish to criticize my methods, however, I was raised not to tolerate rudeness from anyone. So I do not appreciate being made to feel insignificant and unintelligent. Just because someone has a new idea or suggestion, hell, even a question, doesn't mean they are stupid and novice, or whatever else you all call them. I believe that if certain people on this site learn to treat others with courtesy and respect that membership would increase. The rudeness, arrogance, insults, and sarcasm are not appreciated by anyone. Anyone with a half a brain could see that these select people are horrible to others and I think they should be banned from the site. If you do not believe me, I will gladly send you a private message containing their posts from another forum. I hope that this thread has opened the eyes of the moderators as well as the members that have been horrid to other people. Remember the golden rule...Treat someone as you would want to be treated.

[annefoley]

I think we should all wish crystlong success. I think her homemade incubator could easily work better than the cheap ones that are hardly worth the $40 you spend on them. One of the moms in our 4-H club made an incubator out of a styrofoam cooler and some recycled materials. It has already hatched chicks at a very decent percentage. I am impressed with this 4-H mom's ability and creativeness and I wouldn't dream of telling her that she was going about matters in the wrong way. Her lucky kids are learning more than just how to hatch an egg. In the olden days, all kinds of techniques were used for incubation. Some of the most amazing methods were developed in Asia. In the world of Internet where we can't see someone's face smile or notice the well-intentioned look in someone's eyes, words can really sting. The Backyard Poultry site may be full of baloney (I don't go there) but they must do some things right. Perhaps it is a feeling of enthusiasm and friendliness that attracts. We can have that here too, can't we?

[Altair]

We can have that here too, can't we?

If people don't act jaded, anything's possible. Not sure about BP though.

[ritterhahn]

I think we should all wish crystlong success. I think her homemade incubator could easily work better than the cheap ones that are hardly worth the $40 you spend on them.

I have referred to the internet as the anonymous in search of the erroneous. If you could see some of the term papers I get, you’d know very fully what I mean. In the case of a forum such as this we are not simply speaking among ourselves, but the legion of silent observers.

Now, how responsible is it to embrace this artificial artificial machine we have been discussing? If a child came to you and asked if he could have a go at using a heating pad to hatch eggs, what would you say? I would try to redirect the interest, but I would in no way condone this action. If we ‘embrace’ this project are we not falling short in making a warning to others who do not, perhaps, have a Grandpa omniscient in incubating in this unorthodox manner? This use is against labeling and contrary to common sense: I would not endorse it in a public manner such as this. Since our would-be hatch and release poster has her Grandfather, I would cease discussing the matter here and seek the source of information she so passionately defends.

We have had this conversation about inclusiveness ad nauseum. Whenever a, um, ‘quirky’ poster pops up, asks an eccentric question, gets an answer it merits given the nature of the forum, there is the perennial complaint about rudeness. I say, have you not noticed the pattern? X asks question, gets answer Y (where Y is in accord with sound husbandry and comes from experienced sources); X rejects Y, and complains about ill use. What X wanted is approbation, commiseration etc., not a real answer. One can note as well that these individuals are very sentimental about animals, and seek edification, rather than advice about the kind of husbandry the animals need. Animals can be objects of ordinal love, but sentimental love is often injurious to their needs. It is not so much merely animal rights as the right ways for animals.

Crystal, you have made a moral crusade of hatching these abandoned Mallard eggs – birds which are probably the most common waterfowl in this country, and if not, one the most able to live alongside human habitation. A few eggs that do not hatch will not make one bally jot of difference to the Mallards as a species. It is not for the eggs but for your own feelings that you do this; there is therefore nothing moral in intervening in the patterns of existence in a wild animal. It is anthropomorphism.

Hatch the eggs; succeed or fail as you please. But if your sense of morality is highly developed, you can empathize with someone other than yourself, and see that if everyone here were to encourage you the unintended disasters that could result for others (the young especially!) who might be tempted to follow your example would not be worth the effort.

[Evy]

I've been trying to form a reply, but Richard has eloquently said it all. Thank you, professor.

[crystlong]

I have referred to the internet as the anonymous in search of the erroneous. If you could see some of the term papers I get, you’d know very fully what I mean. In the case of a forum such as this we are not simply speaking among ourselves, but the legion of silent observers.

Now, how responsible is it to embrace this artificial artificial machine we have been discussing? If a child came to you and asked if he could have a go at using a heating pad to hatch eggs, what would you say? I would try to redirect the interest, but I would in no way condone this action. If we ‘embrace’ this project are we not falling short in making a warning to others who do not, perhaps, have a Grandpa omniscient in incubating in this unorthodox manner? This use is against labeling and contrary to common sense: I would not endorse it in a public manner such as this. Since our would-be hatch and release poster has her Grandfather, I would cease discussing the matter here and seek the source of information she so passionately defends.

We have had this conversation about inclusiveness ad nauseum. Whenever a, um, ‘quirky’ poster pops up, asks an eccentric question, gets an answer it merits given the nature of the forum, there is the perennial complaint about rudeness. I say, have you not noticed the pattern? X asks question, gets answer Y (where Y is in accord with sound husbandry and comes from experienced sources); X rejects Y, and complains about ill use. What X wanted is approbation, commiseration etc., not a real answer. One can note as well that these individuals are very sentimental about animals, and seek edification, rather than advice about the kind of husbandry the animals need. Animals can be objects of ordinal love, but sentimental love is often injurious to their needs. It is not so much merely animal rights as the right ways for animals.

Crystal, you have made a moral crusade of hatching these abandoned Mallard eggs – birds which are probably the most common waterfowl in this country, and if not, one the most able to live alongside human habitation. A few eggs that do not hatch will not make one bally jot of difference to the Mallards as a species. It is not for the eggs but for your own feelings that you do this; there is therefore nothing moral in intervening in the patterns of existence in a wild animal. It is anthropomorphism.

Hatch the eggs; succeed or fail as you please. But if your sense of morality is highly developed, you can empathize with someone other than yourself, and see that if everyone here were to encourage you the unintended disasters that could result for others (the young especially!) who might be tempted to follow your example would not be worth the effort.

Richard,

First, What subject do you teach? Your use of the English language is impeccable. Second, I AM a passionate defender of animal rights, as you so eloquently put it, and have been my entire life. I may not stand a chance in hell of my "unorthodox method" working but there is a small chance and I am taking it. Third, you accuse me of hatching the eggs for my own selfishness. I'm sorry but I feel that that's not very polite of you. I am intending to help these little ones have a chance at life that they wouldn't have had before. Fourth I am not only a passionate animal rights advocate but I'm a Christian as well. I believe that God created all things, and that God would not want these precious creatures to die before they lived. I could be wrong because God does not always tell us what to do, he let's us make our own decisions and mistakes, and if God is determined to have these little one's then he will but I am sure that he wants them to have as much of a chance at life as the rest of his creatures. I apologize for this theology lesson but I felt it was necessary to get my point across.

[ritterhahn]

Richard,

First, What subject do you teach? Your use of the English language is impeccable. Second, I AM a passionate defender of animal rights, as you so eloquently put it, and have been my entire life. I may not stand a chance in hell of my "unorthodox method" working but there is a small chance and I am taking it. Third, you accuse me of hatching the eggs for my own selfishness. I'm sorry but I feel that that's not very polite of you. I am intending to help these little ones have a chance at life that they wouldn't have had before. Fourth I am not only a passionate animal rights advocate but I'm a Christian as well. I believe that God created all things, and that God would not want these precious creatures to die before they lived. I could be wrong because God does not always tell us what to do, he let's us make our own decisions and mistakes, and if God is determined to have these little one's then he will but I am sure that he wants them to have as much of a chance at life as the rest of his creatures. I apologize for this theology lesson but I felt it was necessary to get my point across.

It takes a lot of writing to get a Ph. D.; merely practice.

If you do not care for ‘selfish’ replace with ‘subjective’ (at the risk of turning philosophical); rather than your theology, let us discuss ethics, for that is the main point of my post, and the thing your response did not at all address. I ask you again to understand that you must bear responsibility for others taking your idea, which, even you must agree, in many hands could cause a fire or result in a bad shock. You mentioned 4 H: I imagine many young people look at this site anonymously, and might be tempted to cut corners and follow your example rather than get a proper incubator. Your method, I would hazard a guess, takes a tremendous amount of monitoring to keep the eggs in the proper temperature. Even the best intentioned child would not be likely to commit this much of their time; the method you use is very labour intensive and thus not at all efficient from the standpoint of other options.

You say your Grandfather is the expert on this approach. Why post here at the risk of causing problems such as I mentioned above? Have him help you.

If we were to discuss theology in your lesson for me, I would urge you to study natural law. It is valid everywhere and thus immune from the considerations of individual perspectives (‘subjective’); and you will note that it is a rational enterprise whereby we know this law and apply it – jokes about lawyers aside. Your entire argument is flawed and hops about erratically. It does not take a Ph. D. to see that nature is lavish with the species, not its particular members, which are subject to the pressures of natural selection. I imagine you will handle these potential ducklings and thus make them unfit to thrive in the wild, or your incubation method might cause deformities and thus you will keep them, being contrary to your purpose: which is to say that you are experimenting on these eggs from a misguided notion of ethical obligation. You would do far more for Mallards if you supported with your money or your precious time a society that seeks to protect our vanishing wetlands. That would be stewardship, which, I recall, is the moral responsibility laid upon Christians in bearing the honour of dominion over the earth.

You cannot have an ethical obligation apart from a rational perspective (i.e. judgments about actions being capable of praise or blame); that you could construe a God-given moral imperative to care for eggs when in nature the number of ducklings that survive to breed is in the single digits is a bit of a stretch. It is your feelings, the feelings you have for these eggs that causes you to act in the way you have done. Your judgment to do this as well as promote this bizarre incubation method are rational actions that are capable of praise or blame and thus moral – not because they involve animals, but because of the people that are involved (see my caveats above again). Thus I can say, at the least, that your promotion of the heating-pad-incubator is wrong.

I mentioned that ordinal love for animals is correct, because this love has the good of the animal at its heart: a kind of charity, as it were, in lending to the animal a rational soul. Sentimental love as you describe is neither ethical for the reasons I have been at pains to describe and because it violates the requirement of most ethical imperatives, namely, that they be capable of being universalized. If your sentimental love were morally right, I would have to save every living thing I encounter that is in risk of danger – which would be to view nature as unnatural, not to mention completely absurd. And the dominion we possess tempered with stewardship (management or husbandry in more modern times) would thus not exist, which refutes your position as a Christian. Both observations are in accord with natural law, which is rational, you recall, and your putative ethical imperative hypothetically universalized is totally irrational and would make human life impossible, not to mention un-Christian from the standpoint of the book of Genesis.

Live with nature; do not make nature into a human construct, nor project the conditions of human rationality or emotions on it: you then do not love nature (God’s creation) but your whimsical interpretation of nature (which is your own creation).

I am sorry to have met your theology lesson and have raised you an ethical one. Try reading C.S. Lewis’ The Abolition of Man – you would profit from it, if only it makes you reflect. And it is a ripping good read.

I shall not comment further, having wasted enough of the moderator’s patience with my lecture.

Please do really think about what I have written, Crystal.

Written in haste, and thus sloppy,

Richard

[crystlong]

Hello Richard,

Your post has most definately given me something to reflect upon. I will take your words into consideration for furthur reflection. I have read many of C.S. Lewis' works but have never read the Abolition of Man. My grandpa, the one that's a retired minister, has all of Lewis' works and I would gladly read it just to consider what you have stated. So you have a PhD? I find that fasinating. I am working on my Associate's at the moment but I am planning to get a PhD in either History or Literature. Not sure which yet. Any suggestions? I am working right now on my associate degree in Criminal Justice but I am trying to switch majors to something else. No luck there. We are working on getting a house and that place has a large area in the back where I can build a breeding area and maybe raise some geese or ducks. Any suggestions on breeds to raise? We are very excited about this new house...it's absolutely beautiful and big so I hope by the time my eggs hatch I will have a place to hold them until I can release them. Consequently I have obtained a regular incubator from a friend and it's now hatching the eggs for me. I hope it works. So no fears with the heating pad. And yes when I did use the heating paed it took almost 24 hour observation. My little sister and I slept in shifts so that we could take turns observing the eggs. Now I don't have to do that anymore...and I am feeling much better because I am getting more sleep. Thank you for your advice and wisdom.

Crystal

[ritterhahn]

You are something of a natural rhetorician of sorts, Crystal; flatter the barmy old man when the dialectic gets too deep!

I would suggest abandoning an associates degree and go for a proper bachelors degree in the subject you wish to pursue; as to a Ph. D., it is a long, labour-intensive road in the liberal disciplines. I would really consider what you would do with it before I went off to get it. Your country has a strong inclination to the practical. And academia is for the thick-skinned; you must be able to keep your temper, and be philosophical about argument. Lots of petty people in schools.

Let us move to private messaging; we have imposed upon others’ patience long enough.

R

[LucasHumas]

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The right types of chicken incubators have to be able to provide accurate temperature and humidity at a steady pace. Understanding the different features of a system can help in knowing what type of unit to purchase or build. Yes, that's right you can also easily learn how to make an incubator for your own homemade incubator.

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There are two different types of incubators to choose from, still air and fan forced. A fan forced unit circulates the air around so that the temperature is constant anywhere within the unit but a still air incubator goes by the temperature directly above the eggs.

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Chicken incubators come in many different sizes, from holding 3 eggs to hundreds of eggs at one time. Your personal operation should dictate what type of unit to purchase or build. For the beginner, a small unit or a homemade incubator can get you started with all the necessary features. Many of the larger scientific units have fancy additions such as passive heat, stainless steel chambers and sensors that control the rotation and regulate the temperature and humidity. These units can cost as much as $3500.

The average backyard chicken raiser should become familiar with the different settings and changes in seasonal humidity before embarking on a large-scale system. After all, learning is half the fun! Having a small plastic unit with a window for viewing is a good way to watch your project in process. These units will run a little higher than totally enclosed plastic models but the ability to watch is priceless.




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