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    Can anybody play this game? I don't know much about chickens and less about guinea fowl but I do know ticks requirements: there must be a high enough population density of host species in the area, and there must be high enough humidity for ticks to remain hydrated. I suspect a horse/cattle farm in Conway MO would satisfy both requirements. Ticks start as eggs that hatch to larvae, after a blood meal they molt to nymphs,which may go through instars (with a blood meal to go from one instar to another) and finally molt to adults. The females try to attach to a host to feed (blood meal) and lay eggs. The males are just there for the sex!
    BTW I went over to wikipedia.com to get the proper name for the different nymphs (instars) and found this: "Another natural form of control for ticks is the guineafowl, a bird species which consumes mass quantities of ticks.[20] Just 2 birds can clear 2 acres (8,100 m2) in a single year." the [20] is the number of the footnote. Take it for what it is worth. ~gd

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    Quote Originally Posted by goosedragon View Post
    Can anybody play this game? Just 2 birds can clear 2 acres (8,100 m2) in a single year." the [20] is the number of the footnote. Take it for what it is worth. ~gd
    Yes, of course you can play.....but I don't believe the footnote.
    I had quite a flock of guineas at one time, and still had a constant battle with seed ticks....everywhere. If you want to see a grown woman panic, let me bump up against a nest of seed ticks. There's nothing quite like the sight of hundreds of them teaming across your clothes. The knowledge that they will turn up in some of the most ungodliest places, is so unnerving to me. Besides, I appear to have an allergy to the bite.

    I wasn't kidding when I said that I ran from them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Yes, of course you can play.....but I don't believe the footnote.
    I had quite a flock of guineas at one time, and still had a constant battle with seed ticks....everywhere. If you want to see a grown woman panic, let me bump up against a nest of seed ticks. There's nothing quite like the sight of hundreds of them teaming across your clothes. The knowledge that they will turn up in some of the most ungodliest places, is so unnerving to me. Besides, I appear to have an allergy to the bite.
    I wasn't kidding when I said that I ran from them....
    That is what I meant when I said take it for what it is worth. If the guineas/ticks is just a good story it has managed to get onto Wikipedia which is a source I use a lot. Besides there was a big fuss about posting without references so I gave the reference- take it for what it is worth

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    Quote Originally Posted by goosedragon View Post
    That is what I meant when I said take it for what it is worth. If the guineas/ticks is just a good story it has managed to get onto Wikipedia which is a source I use a lot. Besides there was a big fuss about posting without references so I gave the reference- take it for what it is worth
    That would be me who asked that sources be named. Didn't realize I made a fuss, but OK.
    Now, can't Wikipedia be tweeked by it's readers. Updated and revised at will? Not really caring.....because I do not use it as a resource exclusively. I will concede that guineas eat ticks. I know that to be fact from my own observations....but, I cannot see how they can possibly prove that two guineas can clear two acres of ticks. I would like to know how they arrived at that conclusion.
    I've got well over 100 birds out there, free ranging....and still have a considerable tick population. My ducks are certainly no slouches when it comes to eating insects, and I'm sure that the chickens eat their fair share. But still, there are ticks.

    But, it's really no big deal, and certainly not worth arguing over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    That would be me who asked that sources be named. Didn't realize I made a fuss, but OK.
    Now, can't Wikipedia be tweeked by it's readers. Updated and revised at will? Not really caring.....because I do not use it as a resource exclusively. I will concede that guineas eat ticks. I know that to be fact from my own observations....but, I cannot see how they can possibly prove that two guineas can clear two acres of ticks. I would like to know how they arrived at that conclusion.
    I've got well over 100 birds out there, free ranging....and still have a considerable tick population. My ducks are certainly no slouches when it comes to eating insects, and I'm sure that the chickens eat their fair share. But still, there are ticks.

    But, it's really no big deal, and certainly not worth arguing over.

    Peace
    Angela I take issue with the word "clear" in that Wikipedia quote myself! A professional Entomologist would be more likely to use the word ‘control’. [My brother is a retired PhD Entomologist in the Show Me! state.] All your poultry including the guineas can play host to the ticks as well as you and the rest of the pests and stock on your place. Pests are much more likely to be controled than completely wiped out, and when you are talking ticks/acre hou would you ever know? Peace by all means! Once again I got sucked into commenting by the Senior Member from NH. ~gd

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    Quote Originally Posted by goosedragon View Post
    Once again I got sucked into commenting by the Senior Member from NH. ~gd
    Nothing wrong with that. I found your post(s) to be thought provoking. That's what it's all about.

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    Speak of the devil, and in he'll walk.

    Angela, what he is probably referring to is my long standing request for a historical reference on the Ancona duck, and as usual I'm glad to take any opportunity to bring it up again. Some people, especially one of it's biggest commercial promoters, claim that it originated in Great Britain some time ago. I hold that it is descended from mismarked Magpie ducks, and that the breed didn't exist prior to the 1980s in Oregon. I'd love to be proven wrong on this, but so far no one has been able to. I don't really understand the animosity towards this one of my opinions though. Don't breeders want an accurate history on their chosen breeds? One of my favorite goose breeds, the African, has long since been shown not to originate in Africa, but in China. It doesn't make me think any less of them as a breed, knowing the truth.

    I sometimes use wikipedia too, usually as a starting off point when researching a subject I know little about, but I realize that it is far from reliable.

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    I have a pair of Anconas. I could imagine them being mismarked magpies....especially since I've seen very few good magpies. No different then the Ameraucanas...or Braggs Mountain Buffs.

    On a totally different point....
    I've got white orp bantams that have blue legs. How would I go about breeding out the blue legs? They should be flesh colored. Any thoughts?
    Note: The legs are not slate....they are BLUE, and breeding true.

    OOOPS! Forget all that....this is the cattle thread.
    Last edited by Angela; 09-30-2011 at 10:42 PM. Reason: re-direct

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    Yep Lets keep this cattle. Cattle can get ticks. Even the ones that have lean beef.

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    Now Rog, didn't we agree that you wouldn't drink and post?
    Hell, forget the ticks.....I think we have Kooties!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick View Post
    Speak of the devil, and in he'll walk.

    Angela, what he is probably referring to is my long standing request for a historical reference on the Ancona duck, and as usual I'm glad to take any opportunity to bring it up again. Some people, especially one of it's biggest commercial promoters, claim that it originated in Great Britain some time ago. I hold that it is descended from mismarked Magpie ducks, and that the breed didn't exist prior to the 1980s in Oregon. I'd love to be proven wrong on this, but so far no one has been able to. I don't really understand the animosity towards this one of my opinions though. Don't breeders want an accurate history on their chosen breeds? One of my favorite goose breeds, the African, has long since been shown not to originate in Africa, but in China. It doesn't make me think any less of them as a breed, knowing the truth.

    I sometimes use wikipedia too, usually as a starting off point when researching a subject I know little about, but I realize that it is far from reliable.
    Wrong again Patrick, I was refering to your much more recent rant about how you think the tick/
    guineas story got started (see post #18 this thread). As for the Ancona duck, I don't give a Rat's Rear about how they got started they are a distinct breed now. If you look too closely at many breeds you will find that their history is BS and their name is the product of a long dead promoter. BTW I just threw in the BS because this is a Cattle thread. I mentioned why I was on Wikipedia (instars) and I never claimed it was always reliable (remember I doubted the footnote) so the Devil can return to his domain! ~gd

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    so the Devil can return to his domain! ~gd
    LMAO, I've never been told that quite so nicely, but you know as well as I, I'm not going anywhere, if I have anything to say about it.
    Guess I was wrong about your motive. Oh well, glad I didn't waste the opportunity to bash the Ancona breed history claim again. FWIW, I do agree that they NOW warrant seperate breed status, and if they were ever presented for reconition, I'd support it, as long as they didn't claim their origin to be what you know I think is not true.
    As long as you mention it, and to get back on subject, kind of, do you have any references that even suggest that guineas really are good at eating a lot of ticks which may infest cattle?

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    The best option for ticks on cattle is pour-on insecticide. I'd look for something fipronel based.

    Or what are those little birds that sit on top of hippos and eat ticks? Jungle probably knows what they are called.

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    Gentlemen (and I use that term loosely),
    Smile, shake hands and move to your opposing corners. When the bell rings (someone mentions anconas) I want you both to come out swinging. No hitting below the belt, kicking, or eye poking. Hugging is permitted, but only when chaparoned.....ooops, got off track with that one.

    Patrick and Goosedragon.....give it a rest. DO NOT make me come over there......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oregon Swedes View Post
    Or what are those little birds that sit on top of hippos and eat ticks? Jungle probably knows what they are called.
    Oxpeckers. No, really.

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    How funny is that?! And appropriate to the conversation.

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    I think that most of the advice given is pretty darn good and a lot of it is aimed at people getting started. Ditto for the pig forum.

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    Just raise enough cattle, it is critical if a lot of cattle to raise

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    Information sharing and communication is very important because without proper information, advancement and improvement is not possible.Thanks for sharing information.

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